USB hubs working with Host port

rodneyrodney
in MIDI
Since we've had so many great responses to the list of working / not working MIDI devices on our Host port, I'm thinking of making another list for working / not working USB hubs. 

If any of you have a USB hub plugged into one of our USB-MDI Host ports, could you let us know in this thread what the brand name and model is please? Conversely if you have a hub you know is problematic, let us know that too.
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  • vaikl2vaikl2
    Mine is a chinese "i-tec" USB 3.0, 4-port charging hub (search for "I-TEC U3HUBMETAL4"). No probs so far.
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  • northerntaonortherntao
    edited August 2017
    I use Amazon Basic 10 port USB 2.0 hubs on the USB host ports of my iCA4+ and mio10. They work for that purpose without a problem. $22.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GGYU46O

    Apparently they are popular - 3 to 5 month waiting time. There's a USB 3.0 version for twice the price, as well as other models with fewer ports, though I can't speak for them. I use the 3.0 version for other peripherals on my PC, but it's overkill for this purpose.
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  • rcbizrcbiz
    Welp, I've tried 2 hubs so far.. a (Sabrent 13 Port High Speed USB 2.0 Hub with Power Adapter), and an (IOGEAR 7-port USB 2.0 Hub). NEITHER of them were recognized by ICM4+. There's no point returning the Sabrent because it cost ($20), but will cost $8+ to return it. I can do a (FREE) return if I personally drop it off at an Amazon drop point, which is DOWNTOWN! It will cost about $8+ in gas just to get down there and back... so I might as well keep it. I'm going to take the IOGEAR back tomorrow... More gas wasted!! 

    I must say, this is one of the most frustrating products I've ever used!! It's a good idea, but it seems to be on the FRINGE of the new concept of using USB for MIDI, so therefore the hardware for it is lacking, flawed, and lacks continuity across the industry. Like when cars first started being made.. If you had a mechanical problem, or even a flat tire, or needed brakes - you were pretty much screwed! Because no one had parts or knew how to do repairs yet. 

    Well, that's kinda what ICM4+ seems like to me. A new car - in a world of horse & buggy's.

    I think ICM4+ could be GREATLY improved if they followed a few basic steps... 

    1). The USB HOST port function is just about WORTHLESS right now because it's not compatible with anything on the market - BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I BOUGHT IT - TO USE USB FOR MIDI!!!  >:( 

    In the Youtube ICM4+ Tutorial videos, they were using a 7-PORT USB PORT from BELKIN. Well, after wasting time & money on the Sabrent, I looked at that video again to find out what the guy was using on that video - and I saw the Belkin. I looked it up... but of course - IT'S DISCONTINUED, because it's OLD technology now, but it's still for sale on Egghead's website. But when you look it up - a warning also pops up that this product is known for containing HARMFUL CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS!! But you can still buy it if you want. LOL (This is all true!). smh.. 

    So I'm going to try this "Amazon Basic" port (Northerntao) mentioned - this will be hub #3... oops #4 - I canceled another HUB purchase I made today!! smh.. Now I just have to wait ANOTHER damn week for this Amazon HUB - great! >:(  (NOT GOOD BUSINESS GUYS!! ... NOT GOOD AT ALL!!!)    Now I have to burn up more gas taking this IOGEAR back to Microcenter smh. 

    2). On your next ICM+ product, ICONNECT REALLY needs to make it with a USB 3.0 version, and a USB-C version!! USB 2.0 is obsolete, and it's getting EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to find hubs for that standard - ESPECIALLY when your product is only compatible with 3 or 4 of them out of the whole market!! YOUR PRODUCT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO - IF IT ISN'T, AND IT REQUIRES (SPECIFIC HARDWARE) - THEN YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THE HARDWARE WE NEED IN ORDER TO USE IT!!! SO START SELLING THE HUBS WE NEED! 

    3). ON YOUR HOMEPAGE - AT LEAST POST A DAMN LIST OF COMPATIBLE 3.0 & 2.0 HUBS (that are currently available, AND UPDATE IT EVERY 5 OR 6 MONTHS)!!! AREN'T YOUR PEOPLE TESTING THIS STUFF OUT BEFORE YOU SHIP IT?? 

    Do you even care that your customers are having all these compatibility problems with your product? smh.. You apparently KNOW people are having these problems, so you need to be UPFRONT about it on your Youtube videos and on your website homepage, and TELL PEOPLE what you are doing to fix the problem, and provide people with WORKAROUNDS so that we don't waste so much time trying to get your product to work.

    ICM4+ has the WORST INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUES I'VE EVER SEEN - AND IT PISSES ME OFF THAT I'VE WASTED SO MUCH TIME & MONEY TRYING TO GET IT TO WORK RIGHT!!! 
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  • timespytimespy
    I am using this one with no problems - but I just saw it's discontinued too! :-(

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  • rodneyrodney
    Nice use of color there rcbiz! :-)

    No, we don't test all USB hubs, because there are literally hundreds of them (maybe thousands) and as you've already seen, they seem to get discontinued every couple of weeks and replaced with other models. Not only that, manufacturers often change the internal components without telling anyone, so even if we both buy hubs that look the same there's no guarantee that they will each work the same.

    Generally speaking though, most hubs work fine. In fact, we have had difficulty finding hubs that don't work. That's why I asked people if they could give us some feedback on it. You seem to have had really bad luck though - sorry for that!

    But you make some good points. Let me have a think about it and see what we can do.

    Rodney
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  • jdoojdoo
    I picked up the Amazon Basic 10 port mentioned above.  Success!  My USB-MIDI device controllers / Synths are now recognized in ICM4+ when connected via the Hub.  Thank you for the mention of this.  As a bonus.. my old USB Hub is now being used to extend the USB ports on my iMac  ( USB Mouse,  OB-6 NPRN (I use it for the SoundTower integration)).   

    The mouse, and NPRN-specific USB devices devices did not work, when plugged into the Hub, if it's connected to the USB Host Port.  I know that's mentioned in the docs, but worth saying again, as it screwed me up.   Like I said.. with the Amazon hub being used in the USB Host Port of the iCM4+, my old hub was freed up for use, directly into my iMac.
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  • Nelson_BaboonNelson_Baboon
    ah - glad to see that you are addressing this issue, which is a big one. I had a hub, recommended for general musical use from sweetwater sound, and I've been going through hell with it and the mio10. I had it working for a few days, but now it is not recognized. I'd say avoid it - it is the d-link dub-h7. I have one that is working with my mio4, but the main usb connection is hardwired, and very short. It's a sabrent https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HL7Z46K/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    i think i saw someone mentioning a sabrent above. can't remember if negatively, but I am having success with this one.
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  • Nelson_BaboonNelson_Baboon
    you guys should make your own cheap usb hub that is guaranteed to work. I really don't like plopping down $$ with really no idea whether a hub will work or not. and it looks like the sabrent that I mention just above works with some devices and not others!

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  • BikerBoyRoyBikerBoyRoy
    Everything was OK while running Mac Mavericks.
    Hub is  Anker powered 7 ports with 3 charging ports hub. 
    Upgrade OS to High Sierra, hub stopped working. 
    Tried another hub a Satechi passive4 port  hub still not working.

    Seems like High Sierra  & IconMidi4 don't like each other.
    Fix please asap.

     
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  • rodneyrodney
    We have tested this here, and for us everything is still working fine after upgrading to High Sierra. We have no idea why it isn't working for you.
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  • timespytimespy
    Try a different USB cable as well. I've had problems with some cables that otherwise looked fine not working with iCM and mio's
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  • tsho08tsho08
    edited February 2018
    I use a few different hubs with iConnectivity gear and they all work.
    D-Link 4 port 2.0 hubs (multiple of them) -Working
    insignia 4 port hub 3.0 - working
    Qicent 7 port hub 3.0 - Working
    All working on major every version of Mac OS from 10.8-10.13.2 (10.8.5, 10.9.5, 10.10.5, 10.11.6, 10.12.6, 10.13.2)
    Also use the D-link hubs with windows 10 and with windows 8.1

    Tested using Every iConnectivity device with a host port
    AUDIO4+, PlayAUDIO12, MIDI4+, mio4, mio10



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  • MrPeteMrPete
    Hey guess what everybody!   I thought my BELKIN 7 powered USB 2.0 HUB didn't work but it turns out that is was only because I was looking for it in the wrong place!
    Both the BELKIN and ANKER 10 HUB (with 3 powered chargers) work just fine

    make sure you check under MIDI INFO for the USB Host Jack Port Device list  ~ now that I reconfigured AUDIO MIDI SHUTUP and restarted etc.
     my remaining issue is just not understanding how  to filter MIDI on devices off the iConnectivity chain eg IO have an Electribe ESX plugged direct into the MIDI port on a Fireface 800 and cannot filter it at all like the devices sen by iCONFIG

    also sorry if this is a bit off topic but now that all the external gear hooked up to iConfig works great how do I filter OUT the Logic's internal "software" instruments from automatically reading MIDI off a port I didn't allocate and firing it to a channel/instrument I don't want it routed too? 

    running latest iOs and Sierras on Power Ashtray Mac,  iPad 5 +LOGIC 10.4~ currently using my MIDI4+ waiting. on the MIO 10 I just ordered from you guys direct a few days ago

      


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  • kvitekpkvitekp
    New user here, just got a mio10, hooked it up and everything works as expected. Happy to report that Alyseum U3-88c (compact 8x8 USB MIDI interface) hooked to mio10's USB Host port works perfectly, giving me extra 8 MIDI DIN ports.
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  • rodneyrodney
    Thanks for the feedback!
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  • Eldon_TEldon_T
    edited June 2018
    Thanks to previous post I've bought an Amazon Basic 10 port USB 2.0 hubs because my old no name powered hub doesn't works (but doesn't works well before so it's not a surprise).
     I've bought too a longer USB cable because the original was too short for my installation. But after plugged it on an USB on the back of the computer, instead of the front, the MIO10 works but not the USB Host. After plugged it again on the USB on the front all is working, I've plugged up to 6 USB synth/controller on the hub and it works (except the 2.5 A is too small, so of the synths have their own power, some don't).
    So for people who have problem with USB Host don't showing on the list, try all your USB (I think it's related to the internal hub of the motherboard, there is probably a limit to plug these kind of devices with already shared USB internal hub).

    edit : system Windows 10 64b
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  • SaxfredSaxfred
    I am using a Renkforce 7+2 USB 3.0-HUB plugged in my iConnectMIDI4+ working fine
    I have a Arturia Keylab88, AKAI EWI 5000, and Arturia Beatstep connected to the HUB
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  • fabfab
    edited September 2018
    Does the USB host port also provide power or is it always necessary to use a powered hub (or powered devices, in case of a Keystep, etc)? Thanks.
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  • rodneyrodney
    In most cases you should not need a powered hub, especially if your gear already has its own power. However if you have several MIDI devices all requiring power over USB, then you may need a powered hub. Try it and see. Personally I have never needed a powered hub for my stuff.
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  • beebee
    edited September 2018
    I am using a Techlink Recharge 6000 Hub with my iCA4+ v1.0
    Its perfect, the battery powers the attached midi devices and the iCA4+ trickle charges the battery, no wall wort required.
    Everything I connect has worked fine: QuNexus, Alesis Q49, NanoStudio, Arturia BeatStep and I normally have it all connected at the same time, never have any problems.
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  • dirkdirk
    I use a UGreen 7 port USB3 powered hub, works fine so far.
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  • rodneyrodney
    Made a start with this Knowledge Base article based on the help and feedback from you guys. Thanks so much!
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  • deluxxxdeluxxx
    edited January 2019
    I use the Startech industrial 7 port USB hub, its a tank. pricey yes, built of solid metal and can be rack mounted.


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  • rodneyrodney
    That is one serious hunk of metal!
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  • tnsltnsl
    Well, I suppose my Ankers has nothing to do with the Mio10... I had hard time changing usb cables and many reboots and still the led won't light up as a connection with my mbp. What you guys recommend? I will use Push2, faderfox Mx12, Console 1

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  • DamoDigglerDamoDiggler
    Hey neighbours... I'm new here and a I've owned a mioXL for 2 days now.. still getting into the groove of it, but, the topic on this discussion has got me wondering...  you mean to say I can plug in USB devices into the mioXL and my computer 'should' see it?!

    So, like.. can I put iLoks and thumb drives and things into the mioXL and they will be accessible on my Mac?! :o
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  • tsho08tsho08
    The USB-A host port only accepts USB class compliant controllers sending exclusively MIDI data.
    Your thumb drives and stuff will not work. Some controllers actually don't work if they are not class compliant.
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  • DamoDigglerDamoDiggler
    THANKS! ... I never really was compliant in class either :D
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  • ZappaCatZappaCat
    edited March 2020
    OK, so it's 2020 now and I'm looking for a USB hub for the MIDI4+.  I need recommendations on what is currently available and KNOWN to work with this thing.  I think I can deal with EITHER bus powered or non bus powered so I'm open for advice.  I think the more ports the better.  Thanks in advance.

    Is there any way to subscribe to this thread ?
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  • markusschloessermarkusschloesser
    I use the elektron USB hubs, the one on the mio10 (in my case) works flawlessly, the one on the pc as well. Only niggle is the usb 3 micro cable which is a bit flimsy.
    re subscription: I THINK the bookmark star is for that, though not completely sure
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